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Five years ago Palestinian student Amer Shurrab lost his two
brothers in Israel’s Operation Cast Lead. Last week, Shurrab learned
four of his cousins in Gaza had been killed in Israel’s latest
offensive. In January 2009, Amer’s father and brothers were fleeing
their village when the vehicle they were driving in came under Israeli
fire. Twenty-eight-year-old Kassab died in a hail of bullets trying to
flee the vehicle. Amer’s other brother, 18-year-old Ibrahim, survived
the initial attack, but Israeli troops refused to allow an ambulance to
reach him until 20 hours later. By then, it was too late. Ibrahim had
bled to death in front of his father. A graduate student at Monterey
Institute of International Studies in California, Amer Shurrab has been
recounting the story of his brothers and other Palestinians at college
campuses and community gatherings across the United States. "Israel is
deliberately targeting civilians from the day one of this attack," he
says. "They have been bombing houses, wiping entire families to try to
scare people into submission."
AMY GOODMAN:
We’re joined right now by Amer Shurrab, a Palestinian graduate student
from Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip. He’s studying at the Monterey
Institute of International Studies in California. He has just learned
that four of his cousins have died in Khan Younis. We last spoke to him
five years ago. It was shortly after he lost his two brothers during
Israel’s assault on Gaza known as Operation Cast Lead. In 2009, January,
his dad and two brothers were fleeing their village when their vehicle
came under Israeli fire. His brother, 28-year-old Kassab, died in a hail
of bullets trying to flee the vehicle. His other brother, Ibrahim, 18
years old, survived the initial attack, but Israeli troops refused to
allow an ambulance to reach him and his father until 20 hours later. By
then, it was too late. Ibrahim had bled to death in front of his father.
Amer Shurrab has been recounting the story of his brothers and other
Palestinians at college campuses and community gatherings across the
United States. And it was just recently that he learned about his
cousins in Khan Younis.
We welcome you back to Democracy Now!, I’m sorry under such
sad circumstances. My condolences to you and your family, Amer. Can you
talk about what you’ve just learned?
AMER SHURRAB:
Thank you, Amy, for having me again, and I wish next time we meet will
be under better circumstances. So, last week, actually, last Tuesday, I
got news from Gaza via a friend that my cousin, Mohammed Tayseer, was
killed. He was targeted by one of those drones that Sharif was talking
about. He was visiting some friends. He left their house at 1:00 a.m.,
started walking home, and on the walk home he was directly targeted by a
drone. A couple hours later, actually, the house of the friends that he
was visiting was bombed by the Israeli Air Force, and it killed two and
injured several other people. His dad—because those friends are their
neighbors, his dad went to visit—ran to the house of the neighbors, the
friends, to help evacuate the wounded, in fear of the house being bombed
again. And the dad was looking for Mohammed, his eldest son, his
22-year-old eldest son, and was looking for him to help. A couple hours
later, once light started coming out, people saw a body on the street
that they realized was Mohammed’s.
AMY GOODMAN: How old was Mohammed?
AMER SHURRAB: Twenty-two.
AMY GOODMAN: How old was Tayseer?
AMER SHURRAB: Tayseer is in his fifties, 55 now.
AMY GOODMAN: And you had two other cousins.
AMER SHURRAB:
Three cousins, three brothers, three second cousins, they—was
Wednesday—their house in the Sheikh Nasser region in Khan Younis was
bombed by the Israeli Air Forces. A four-story house was flattened to
the ground. Initial news that there were three people killed and several
wounded. Then we got news later that no one was hurt. And then, the
next morning, Thursday morning, they extracted the body of Iyad. And
then, the next morning, during the 12-hour ceasefire, they had more time
to dig through the rubble and found two more bodies of his brothers,
two of his brothers. And they were all recently married. They, all three
of them, got married either last year or the year before.
AMY GOODMAN: Now, we last talked in 2009. You had just graduated from Middlebury College in Vermont.
AMER SHURRAB: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN:
This was the period of Operation Cast Lead, as the Israeli military
called, when more than 1,400 Palestinians were killed. Describe what
happened to your brothers and your dad.
AMER SHURRAB:
Well, Amy, my dad and brothers were in our farm in the Fukhari region,
and they were driving home during the ceasefire, the humanitarian lull
that Israel announced, and they waited ’til the middle of that
ceasefire. They were driving home. They drove for about half a kilometer
or kilometer. They faced a tank on the side of the road. They were
waved through by the tank. And then, once they drove a couple hundred
meters past it, Israeli soldiers stationed in a civilian house—they
occupied a civilian house and took at least 11 residents as hostages in
that house—they opened fire on them indisriminately.
AMY GOODMAN: On your father and two brothers, the car.
AMER SHURRAB:
On the—yes. My dad was hit while driving. They hit a wall. The car came
to a halt. They ordered them to get out of the car. Kassab was in the
passenger seat, got out. He was shot. Later, we realized he had 18
bullets across his chest, his stomach and his arms. My dad got out, and
he ducked by the car. My brother Ibrahim, who was in the back seat, got
out, and he was also shot in his left leg. And then he—initially, they
wouldn’t allow my dad or Ibrahim to call an ambulance or even to check
on Kassab’s body. They had no idea what happened to him. That was around
1:00 p.m.
AMY GOODMAN: I mean, it was just feet away.
AMER SHURRAB:
Yeah, few feet away. Yeah, few feet, like on the other side of the car,
basically. And they wouldn’t let him check on them. My dad only
confirmed Kassab’s death about five hours later, after sunset, when he
saw cats nibbling on his body. He challenged the soldiers’ orders not to
move, challenged the rounds they fired around him, checked on Kassab,
realized he was dead and covered his face with his jacket and crawled
back next to Ibrahim. They were pinned next to the car for over—about 24
hours. Ibrahim passed away. Shooting happened around 1:00 p.m. Ibrahim
passed away around midnight. Ambulances were not allowed through, until—
AMY GOODMAN: How do you know this?
AMER SHURRAB:
My dad wrote an account of that ordeal, of that whole story, from his
hospital bed. He wrote it the day after, and over two days, because he
wanted to remember it, he wanted it memorized. When I first reached him
over his cellphone, once he got to the hospital, he told me, "Tell
people what happened to us. Tell them what happened to us. Your brothers
don’t deserve this. Everyone needs to know about this."
AMY GOODMAN: Your uncle had tried to get an ambulance?
AMER SHURRAB: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: How did he know anything was going on?
AMER SHURRAB:
Later, they allowed my dad to use his cellphone, and he called my
uncle. And my uncle reached the area with an ambulance. They would not
allow them through. And it’s not only my uncle. My dad was on phone
calls throughout the night to local press, to international media, to
local, international human rights organizations, to Israeli human rights
organizations. He was talking with everyone—and in vain. Throughout
that night, once I got the news, we were talking everyone. We reached
members of the Israeli Knesset. We tried to contact the Obama transition
team. We contacted everyone. People in all five continents were making
calls trying to reach people to get them help. But it was in vain. It
wasn’t until 7:00 a.m. the next day, the 17th—they were shot on the
16th. On 7:00 a.m.—
AMY GOODMAN: This was January.
AMER SHURRAB:
Yes, 2009—7:00 a.m., we got a word through a member of the Knesset, a
Palestinian member of the Knesset that we reached, that the Israeli army
would allow an ambulance to go in, but only at noon, when the
humanitarian ceasefire would start for the next day. And the soldiers
were watching them all that time. They refused to give them a band-aid.
They refused to give them anything to stop the bleeding. They refused to
give them a sip of water, a blanket. Nothing. My brother Ibrahim was
shivering next to my dad, and they wouldn’t do anything other than curse
at them, laugh at them and watch them suffer. Later on, we found that
they left graffiti on the wall of the house that said, "Kahane was
right."
AMY GOODMAN: Referring to?
AMER SHURRAB:
Meir Kahane, the extremist Israeli rabbi who called for the killing or
transfer of all Arabs and Palestinians from Palestine and Israel to
other nations, to make Israel a purely Jewish state.
AMY GOODMAN:
I wanted to get your response to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who
was speaking to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer last week, saying that Hamas is
intentionally endangering Palestinian civilians in hopes that the
gruesome images will turn the international community against Israel.
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:
All civilian casualties are unintended by us, but actually intended by
Hamas. They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can, because
somebody said they use—I mean, it’s gruesome. They use telegenically
dead Palestinians for their cause. They want—the more dead, the better.
AMY GOODMAN: That was Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Your response to this, Amer?
AMER SHURRAB:
Well, first of all, I want to jump on that phrase "telegenically dead."
I hear that phrase, and I really want to throw up. This is just
despicable description of dead children, women. That’s what you call
them? Instead of saying "condolences," instead of saying "we are sorry,"
you say "telegenically dead"? This is extremely offensive, to start
with.
And then, to Prime Minister Netanyahu—Prime
Minister Netanyahu and all the Israeli spokespersons, in Arabic, in
English, in Hebrew, in every language, they say they use precision
bombs. They say they use smart weapons, and they pinpoint their attacks.
And several Israeli spokespeople said every attack has hit its intended
target. And now we know what are the intended targets. It’s children.
It’s families. It’s women. An Israeli reserve general said, "We are
going to kill their families so they learn not to come back again." An
Israeli professor at Bar-Ilan University said, "Kill them, kill their
kids, rape their women, kill their children, so that they learn." An
Israeli member of the Knesset, who is a member of the ruling coalition,
has wrote a posting on Facebook, that received several thousand likes,
calling for the extermination of Palestinians, killing all their kids,
killing the mothers who give birth to those "snakes."
So, what Israel says—we know that Israel
uses—repeatedly has used the claim that Palestinians use human shields.
That claim has been discredited over and over and over again, by the
Goldstone Report, by the U.N., by all respectable human rights
organizations. On the contrary, there is plenty of proof, plenty of
evidence, that Israel uses Palestinians as human shields, as I know it
personally in the case of my family and my brothers, where they were
occupying a house, holding the local residents as human shields. UNICEF,
about three months ago, issued a report documenting Israel’s use of
children as human shields. That was corroborated recently by a report
for, I believe, the U.N. initiative for children, that also documented
Israel’s use of human shields. So, Israel is deliberately targeting
civilians. It’s from the day one of this attack. They have been bombing
houses, wiping entire families, to try to scare people into submission.
AMY GOODMAN: The Knesset member that you referred to, Ayelet Shaked—
AMER SHURRAB: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN:
—with the Jewish Home party, who wrote that on her Facebook page,
saying that the killings should include the mothers of the martyrs,
saying that they should go, as should the physical homes in which they
raise the snakes, saying because they give birth to the little snakes.
Here you are in the United States. How are you dealing with all of what
has happened in not only the last few weeks, but, of course, because
your two brothers were killed in 2009? You went to Middlebury College.
We saw you just after that, at Operation Cast Lead. Now you’re in
California at Monterey, a graduate student.
AMER SHURRAB:
Well, there are two facets to it. On one side, the U.S. government is a
full partner in the murder of Palestinians, including my brothers. The
United States provides over $3 billion of direct military aid to Israel
annually. The Congress has just approved or in the process of approving
an additional $600 million in military aid to Israel. They tagged onto
the bill, the immigration bill for dealing with undocumented
children—they tagged on about $225 million in additional aid for the
Iron Dome in Israel. And the U.S. provides blank backing to Israel in
the U.N., in the Security Council, everywhere, although we know
sometimes it goes against the U.S.’s stances. Israel, just today,
rejected the American initiative for ceasefire, and Secretary Kerry
retracted and said, "Oh, we never offered them an initiative." Secretary
Kerry, have some courage. Have some integrity. You had a hot-mic moment
that showed what you really felt about it. How about you show it and
say it in a scheduled meeting as opposed to a hot-mic moment?
AMY GOODMAN: Explain what you mean, for those who aren’t familiar with that moment in the Fox studio.
AMER SHURRAB:
Secretary Kerry, when he was appearing—I believe last Sunday, when he
was appearing on the different Sunday shows, he was on Fox preparing to
appear their Sunday morning show—
AMY GOODMAN:
Actually, we have a clip of that, so this was one of the comments he
made on this round of the network talk shows to publicly defend Israel’s
assault on Gaza, but in a private phone call that was caught on camera
in between commercial breaks, Kerry appeared to speak sarcastically
about the massive civilian toll in the attacks. He was speaking to an
aide on his speaker phone on his cellphone.
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation. It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation.
AIDE: Right, it’s escalating significantly, and it just underscores the need for a ceasefire.
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: We’ve got to get over there.
AIDE: Yup, yup.
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: Thank you, John. I think, John, we ought to go tonight. I think it’s crazy to be sitting around.
AMY GOODMAN:
That was John Kerry in Fox’s studio. That’s not on the air, although
they recorded it and then played it for him on Fox to respond to.
AMER SHURRAB:
And then he tried to backtrack the comment, and then he went to Israel
and repeated the same talking points about Israel having the right to
defend itself. Yes, Israel does have the right to defend itself, as does
every nation and every people, including the Palestinian people, who
have been under occupation since 1967. And we, in Gaza, have been living
under a terrible siege since 2007, but we don’t hear Secretary Kerry
talk about this, at least not in public.
AMY GOODMAN: What does that siege mean to you in daily life?
AMER SHURRAB:
That siege and blockade of Gaza that has been implemented by Israel
against Gaza Strip since 2007, that has been at its strictest form, but
Gaza has been suffering from one degree or another of siege since the
occupation in 1967. But that siege, what it means, it shuts down all of
Gaza’s borders and crossings, most of them with Israel, with only one
with Egypt that’s also shut down by the Egyptian authorities; Israeli
warships and boats in the sea, and airplanes and drones in the sky. That
means they ration everything that comes in and out, from food to
medicine, to pens and papers and pencils, construction material, gas,
natural gas, potato chips, cardamom, chocolate. And it’s all for
security concerns. I know people who have died because the chemotherapy
they required for their cancer treatment was not allowed in, people who
have died because spare parts for a dialysis machine they required for
their kidney condition were not allowed in. I know people who have lost
very lucrative and full scholarships in some top universities because
they were not allowed out. I know people—ambulances that couldn’t come
to retrieve victims because they didn’t have gas.
AMY GOODMAN:
How do you respond to the Israeli military saying they’re moving into
Gaza to destroy the maze of tunnels because they’re used to smuggle in
weapons?
AMER SHURRAB:
The tunnels have been used, until recently, until they have been
practically fully destroyed by the Egyptian authorities—they have been
used primarily as a commercial avenue. It has been used as a venue for
trade, getting goods in and out of Gaza, or primarily into Gaza, and
allowing people to get in and out of Gaza. My brother—for instance, my
brother’s in-laws managed—two years ago, they managed to go to Gaza for
the first time in over 30 years through one of the tunnels. That’s the
only way, if all the official crossings are closed, if the Israeli
government wants to put the Palestinians on a diet. An Israeli
government official said, "We are going to put the Palestinians on a
diet." They were allowing—Gisha, an Israeli human rights organization,
revealed that. And they were calculating, cynically calculating, 2,000
calories per day per person of food to be allowed in, so people do not
starve but just barely survive. The tunnels came and helped change some
of that. The tunnels were primarily used, as I said, to let people in
and out and to get everything in, from cars to gas, to construction
materials. After the so-called Operation Cast Lead, tens of thousands of
houses were destroyed.
AMY GOODMAN:
Do you think—do you believe that the Israeli military is bombing Gaza
because of Hamas and the other groups firing thousands of rockets into
Israel?
AMER SHURRAB:
Well, Amy, over the past two years, there have been virtually no
rockets coming out of Gaza, and Israel continued to siege Gaza and
blockade Gaza. And that siege is a form of slow death. People are saying
we can either die quickly now, or we die slowly through the siege and
the blockade. If I’m a father and I cannot get a life-saving medicine
for my kid because of that siege, how am I going to feel? What am I
going to do? There were no rockets before 2001; Israel continued to
occupy Gaza. There were no rockets in the ’90s and the ’80s; Israel
continued to occupy Gaza and kill Palestinians.
AMY GOODMAN:
Amer, we’re going to have to leave it there. We are going to turn in a
moment to the Israeli historian Ilan Pappé, speaking to us from Haifa.
My condolences again to you and your family. And I want to thank you
very much for being with us, I’m so sorry under these circumstances.
AMER SHURRAB: Thank you so much, Amy, for the wonderful work you do every day.
AMY GOODMAN:
Amer Shurrab is a graduate student at the Monterey Institute for
International Studies in California. He graduated from Middlebury
College. He is from Khan Younis in Gaza. This is Democracy Now! We’ll be back in a moment.